I wonder what Mr Bartel would say to faithful Catholics in Germany who are tempted to join the SSPX German district after watching their entire episcopal conference become full heretics on homosexuality last week? God bless you and how blessed we are to have the SSPX! The decree declaring schismatic acts also refers to the schism of Levebre as though personally, rather than to any group. Pretending otherwise is the opposite error of modernism. Dr. Meuli who pointed out that Pope John Paul IIs declaration of the penalty of schism on the SSPX after the consecrations done by Archbishop Lefebvre was based on an erroneous application of canon law that applies to what Lefebvre actually did. For the pastoral benefit of these faithful, and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with Gods help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church. Jesus Christ. Pope Francis creates path for SSPX priests to celebrate marriages validly Apr 4, 2017 By Hannah Brockhaus On Tuesday Pope Francis approved a way for priests of the Society of St. Pius X. Is this a fair and accurate assessment? Faculties do not all come automatically with ordination but are granted separately by the bishop, e.g. In particular, note how Pope Francis clearly states that people who attend the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X churches can not only validly receive sacramental absolution; they also do so licitly, which would not be the case if the priests of the SSPX remained in schism. Let us pray that the LEFT does not dissemble what little residue remains of the tradition of the Catholic Church when the higher-ups implement the changes they anticipate as part of their mandate after listening vis-a-vis the Synod of Synodality. Id venture that antisemitism is far more widespread among many on the secular left, whereas its confined to the cranky margins of a few traditionalists. So in that sense they are traditional. SSPX bishops authorized to ordain priests without permission of local If our Church is universal, which is the original meaning of catholic, how does a bishops birthplace signify? Where I attend, its typical to see 3 generations and our chapel is always full for the High Mass. has remained the same to the present day, as also evidenced by the fact that no reunion with Rome occurred after the doctrinal discussions and negotiations held from 2009 to 2012. LOL. His expose is neither a condemnation or acceptance of V2 or the liturgical changes. I pray for many more to wake up and seek the TRUTH. I dont know of any non-Catholic denomination with sacramental confession,. Order, good order, is absolutely necessary. / Vatican Media. 3. Does his opinion count? & trans. At the beginning of last year, I wrote an open letter, published by CWR, to a Polish priest who left the Dominican Order to adhere to the SSPX. Christ alone saves. Please reread your comments directed at me and see if you have shown the same courtesy. f. Establish a Church-wide zero tolerance for dissent on matters of Church doctrine and discipline. Once more: a canonical faculty to administer a sacrament that can only be granted to members of the Catholic Church is not the same thing as an emergency power to administer a sacrament in emergencies or other special circumstances acknowledged by the Church. Lefebvre was not the first to provide people access to the Vetus Ordo while he and his followers jumped ship. Good authors on good websites like Catholic World Report provide a great service. BTW, an Ecce Homo was never there. The larger or deeper the wound, the longer it takes to heal. Here we are, 60 plus some later. Zs Ask Father: Whats the Truth about the SSPX? April 16, 2020. Either the proponents of the claim that the Eastern Orthodox have the same faculties as the SSPX has know this and are flat out lying about it, or they are remarkably obtuse and cant discern the difference between an emergency use of a sacrament granted to all validly ordained priests even if suspended, in schism, laicized, and so on, and the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GRANT OF A REGULAR, FULL TIME faculty to hear confessions that cannot be granted to fully schismatic priests without changing their status from fully schismatic to being in full communion or, as in this case, being partially schismatic or what is more accurately known as an irregular status not in full communion with Rome. They are right. Meuli offered to discuss his conclusions and rationale with anyone who cared to challenge him, but it appears that nobody wanted to match wits, at least in public, with the redoubtable Reverend Dr. Meuli over a roughly 20-year period of time that they could have done so. In the former he unambiguously refers to the movement of Mons. Till I started reading reasonable sober trads like Ed Feser or David Palm my opinion of them was very low. Whats more, if a penitent is in grave danger or dying, its his choice of priest. He in no way speaks for the Church nor does he have the qualifications to do so. Im personally sympathetic to both sides as well as confused about the positions of both sides. Yes. ROME (AP) Pope Francis gave in Saturday to China's unilateral appointment of a new bishop in Shanghai, formally recognizing Beijing's installation of Bishop Shen Bin three months after the fact. VIDEO: SSPX's Bishop Fellay Speaks Exclusively to the Register 3, ed. Then you lose patience, and when you lose peace, you slip and make mistakes. Okay? 1:10). Till next time. <<. June 17, 1988 All solid. Ending Vatican II ecumenism. Antisemitism is one of the reasons I detested Trads for most of my life. Instead, they do not exercise full membership or full communion with the Church, but they do exercise a limited and less than full communion with the Church that no other validly ordained priest in any church outside the Catholic Church can enjoy. Here is an idea Father. Pope Francis creates path for SSPX priests to celebrate marriages validly Apr 4, 2017 By Hannah Brockhaus On Tuesday Pope Francis approved a way for priests of the Society of St. Pius X. The problem with the above article (like the writings of Weigel) is that they seem to ignore reality. And a declaration that someone is in schism needs to be explicit and direct, including who is involved e.g., persons a & b committed the schismatical act of x; all clerics considering themselves members of the sspx are in schism; the group called the sspx, properly consisting of clerics, is considered to be in schism. One cannot arrive at a conclusion of schism by piecing together snippets here and there that make no mention of it, as though people are using dog whistles, e.g., when it says they have no canonical status thats really saying theyre in schism. It is a public mistake and is not magisterial. When Jesus is handed out like a carnival ride ticket, I cant help but think that Catholics, just like the protestants are not receiving the real and true presence of Christ Himself, but, merely a memorial token. Is it sensible to have tons of love for, fellowship with, and joint prayer and worship services with Anglicans, Methodists, and Lutherans, but have nothing but hate, scorn, rejection, and condemnation for the SSPX? Reconciliation between the SSPX and Rome still appears some way off, but those looking to the Society to come to the Church's aid is . Remember the SSPX were kicked to the curb. I cannot now in good conscience set foot in a NO sanctuary where I run the risk of being one of those Our Blessed Mother feared would trample the precious body of her divine son. And "confirms" is also debateable. Two decades before the Counsel was convened, there were a lot of liturgical revisionists that yearned to update the liturgy. He also evaluates the bishop's claims about Lefebvre and the doctrinal status of the SSPX. The new code of canon law heavily puts the emphasis on conscience. In contrast to this, of those that attend the NO Missae only 30% (with some estimates as low as 7%) believe in the Real Presence. You obviously have not hesitated to dish it out generously yourself. The Society is not another Church or Ecclesial Community in the meaning used in the Directory. Therefore, the SSPX is not schismatic. Also, it is an internal matter of the Catholic Church in the same way that dissident movements like Call to Action, Association for the Rights of Catholics in the Church, Womens Ordination Conference, New Ways Ministries, or most recently, the German Bishops Conference, are internal matters of the Catholic Church. Dear Deacon Edward, I have been advised from those I suspect in the know that their consecrations of priests were valid; but, illicit. Cardinals' most important task is naming the next pope. You have stated your absolutely certain opinion on the SSPX ad nauseam in this comment section, but you have failed to provide any convincing or substantive proof of your assertions. meiron, Whether he ever gets reelected or not, he will live on forever in the comments. And gauge from the feedback how far short you had fall of the mark. It was in the Catholic news at the time. And I daresay that you and I are in agreement on them all. Traditional Catholics might circulate one variety, fallen away Catholics another. I think I have fairly read Bartel in order to be able to comment on Mr. Gus as I have done it so far; and on Bartel. But why do we have to pray for collective common sense? The answer to that should be excommunication, not secession. Are there some goofballs in the SSPX, some loose canons who will make outlandish comments from time to time. Pope Francis meets with SSPX superior general Lastly, check out the intriguing comment by Timothy J. Williams of March 16, 2023 at 7:41 AM. Let us have mercy on these ordinary folk. That is an odd thing to say? A basic distinction is missing from these issues in general and their discussions, the difference between obedience of faith and the fidelity to the Pope and hierarchy; and understanding them properly. I think demographically speaking youre right. Its a no brainer who will be present in significant numbers in the coming generations & who wont. Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, experiencing failing health, aware of his episcopal duty to pass on the Catholic Faith and seeing no other way of assuring the continued ordination of truly Catholic priests, decided to consecrate bishops and announced that, if necessary, he will do so even without the popes permission. 1. Well, you got it good and hard. Also, your parenthetical suggestions are insulting. The letter was answered in an SSPX website, but instead of pointing out where Bishop Sheen went wrong, the response simply attacks the Church for liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo Mass. SSPX BOOK: https://www.amazon.com/SSPX-Defence-Kennedy-Hall/dp/B0C2S4MWDG/ref=zg_bs_12350_sccl_1/139-5632460-3546007?psc=1TKR STORE PRODUCT PAGE: https://the. meiron, However, for some people, any historical reference that is in any way critical of the Jews of Biblical times, or of Israel today, amounts to anti-semitism. Fairly ridiculous. Just one. Nevertheless, in his initial grant of the canonical faculty to administer the Sacrament of Reconciliation in 2015 for the Year of Mercy, first note that Pope Francis did indeed supply a canonical faculty to the SSPX that was not granted to any priests outside the Church (cannot be done; recall the necessary distinction between a capacity and a sanctioned canonical faculty), so even here the Pope supplied what can be considered an irregular but still legitimate canonical status to the SSPX, THEREBY ASSERTING THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN THE CHURCH even though not in full communion with Rome. If so point them out.. Who am I to judge the SSPX? Leftism is indeed a plague and it ruins everything it touches, church, education, government, humanity. And I think that we ought to pitch in and do our part as well. Or with Catholic communities that actually uphold Church teaching on marriage & family. The rot has been growing in the Church for some time. I wish you and your family a most blessed Lent! Doctrine was updated which allowed the new theology to stretch and misconstrue and mislead what the traditional faith had taken to be immutabilities. Yves Chiron has a wonderful expose of the underlying modernist tensions preceding V2 in his book entitled: Annibale Bugnini. (Cant blame her.). Ecce Homo is in the Gospel readings of the Passion on Palm Sunday and Good Friday. Lefebvre was clearly following his conscience in consecrating bishops without the approval of Rome. Are they? What is the Status of the Society of Pope Saint Pius X (SSPX) I think if we are all being honest many CWR readers would be going to the SSPX if they lived in Germany. in cases of emergency or other limited circumstances accepted by the Church IS NOT and never has been THE SAME THING as the grant of the FOR CATHOLICS ONLY CANONICAL FACULTY to administer the sacrament of reconciliation on an ongoing basis (not just for emergencies, etc.) Does he think St Athanasius was wrong to point out in the 4th century that They have the churches, we have the Faith? Since my letter was published, I have publicly debated a pro-SSPX apologist, engaged in many discussions with both former and current supporters of Msgr. Not all Jews then living nor any living today. https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20090310_remissione-scomunica.html. Berry Jones on Twitter You are found guilty by the judge of committing a specific crime you actually did not commit and the penalty imposed was unjust. Fr. Should St. Patrick have been rejected because he wasnt born in Ireland? He clarified further that until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministerseven though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penaltydo not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church.11 It is also worth pointing out the precedent set by Pope Paul VI in 1965 when he lifted the declared excommunication on the Orthodox church, which obviously did not end the schism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRcoaytPCa0. Unlike the wee orangemen who have no orders or sacraments beyond 2. May Christ have Mercy on His suffering Church. Of course, a validly ordained priest outside the Catholic Church can validly administer the sacrament of penance and reconciliation in emergency situations and other limited situations ONLY that are recognized by the Church, but liceity in this regard applies only to priests inside the Catholic Church. Excommunication never was the penalty for consecration of a bishop without a papal mandate. The more you stay non-canonical, the likely you become schismatic. And a pregnant woman might be only partially pregnant. Telling me my interpretation is wrong disproves nothing. Still, I applaud Catholic World Report for providing interesting analysis and opinions on the case of the SSPX. I highly recommend it to everyone. 2. 10 Pope Benedict XVI, Letter to the Bishops Concerning the Remission of the Excommunication of the Four Bishops Consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre (10 March 2009). So which is it , non canonical status is or is not the same as schism? But, yes, its not well known anymore. And in the style of St. Thomas Aquinas, yet. If he failed to abjure these heresies after being asked to do so on three occasions, it further requested that the bishops declare that he had forfeited the papal office on account of his heresy. Ratzinger/Benedict was a pastoral leader. are all there. Furthermore, in 1994 the head of the PCPCU, Edward Cardinal Cassidy, issued a statement that the situation of the members of this Society is an internal matter of the Catholic Church. [1/2]Pope Francis leads the Angelus prayer from his window, at the Vatican, July 9, 2023.Vatican Media/Handout via REUTERS Ill be waiting for their response. Some Latin/Roman Rite bishops have also been deputed to recognize groups/associations of the faithful, for example, started by the sspx. Wouldnt it be contradictory and illogical to say we have much to learn from the people of the Anglican Church but nothing to learn from the SSPX? Thats not true. Acknowledging that Christ is physically present in the tabernacle is appropriate. Thank you again. Therefore, the SSPX is not schismatic. Athanasiuss recent speech to the Confraternity, discussing matters of sacred Tradition, order of tradition, disobedience to abuse of authority, etc. (I am Filipino and the one example I can think of is the so-called Philippine Catholic Independent Church otherwise called Aglipayan, founded by Bishop Aglipay in late 18th century in rebellion against Spanish church authorities, but vowed to maintain obedience to the Pope.) Thats what you think? Its very sad that Bartel wants to try to emplace disorientations and trip wires; suggest feelings of distrust and reasons for disavowal; and churn up sense of separation, meaninglessness, futility. We have to look as much to what has not been said. None of that was my input. Your Dominican Third Order must be very proud. The statement by Pope Benedict in 2009 is something I have been well aware of for many years, so the citation you provide is superfluous, but perhaps others will benefit from it. Where the mystical body of our Incarnate God begins and ends is in mystery. G*d bless you and yours. Head of SSPX on Traditionis Custodes: 'The era of the - LifeSite While not exhaustive, it will suffice to show the shoddy scholarship and even outright dishonesty of the SSPX and its apologists. Pope X will restore the standing of the 1928 papal condemnation of ecumenism. As I have already emphasized, the cooperation among Christians clearly manifests that DEGREE of communion which already exists among them. 4. Again, please check Fr. In the same apostolic letter you are referring to, Pope Francis declares: For the pastoral benefit of these faithful [who attend churches officiated by the SSPX], and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with Gods help for the recovery of full communion in the Catholic Church, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year, until further provisions are made, lest anyone be deprived of the sacramental sign of reconciliation through the Churchs pardon.(Misericordia et misera, 12). Medline plus informs: Wounds heal in stages. John Hardons Modern Catholic Dictionary, Schism. I love the silence, the emphasis on the holy Tabernacle, the great respect for the priesthood and much more have given me an insight to a deeper type of transcendence I now realize would be impossible for me to experience at the NO Missae. It is such an easy thing to do yet clerical domineers would rather kiss Korans and homage pagan idols. No new dogma was decreed. He himself, as representative of the Church, took on fault. Here are six common arguments that have been made by Bishop Schneider and other defenders of the SSPX, each followed by a brief rebuttal: Objection 1: The SSPX accepts the entirety of Catholic teaching on the papacy; it acknowledges the authority of the reigning pope and desires to be united with Rome. Thank you for your response and your obvious love of the church; one clearly suffering an identity crisis at this unprecedented time in history. No, it doesnt. Cardinal Gantin, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops, officially warned the Archbishop that, in virtue of canon 1382 (1983 Code of Canon Law), he and the bishops consecrated by him would be excommunicated for proceeding without pontifical mandate and thereby infringing the laws of sacred discipline. Is remaining in communion with heretical German bishops less immoral than joining the schismatic SSPX? Hi Bob, I too do some reading during my Holy Hour and worried about it being okay. Deacon Lou, yes, the so-called indult Masses. How convincing will Mr. Bartels arguments continue to hold as error continues to spread. If Lefebvre hadnt done what he did, maybe our parishes would be full of the Catholics we lost to SSPX and other TLM groups and we could have a united front against the problems facing us in the Church. As such, the canonically incorrect penalty that Pope John Paul II applied to the SSPX has simply been accepted as legitimate, but Meuli points out why it was never the case, and he submitted his analysis for anyone who chose to dispute his conclusions, and he also made himself available to anyone for some 20 years before his death to engage him personally if they wished to challenge his analysis, but it appears that nobody did this, perhaps because of the recognized excellence that Meuli was known for possessing, which is why I have referred to him as a super canon lawyer, or the best among the best.

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